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for more now, let's bring in defense attorney david wahl and esther pennich. physical attacks we've seen, damaging property, all that kind of stuff. that is nothing compared to what they are looking at right now. david, how serious is this? what about these federal charges? >> they're very serious. each one is facing up to 50 year in federal prison. they must have the goods on them, documentary evidence proving they phonied up tax returns and documents to get home loans. the federal charges are serious. if you get time you do about 85% of the time you get. this is the type of case where you've got to argue, because the facts are on your side, argue from an emotional standpoint, monetary standpoint. they have tremendous earning power, apparently. you want to have the taxes paid, as a federal government, the restitution paid. they have four young kids as well. you don't want the kids going into foster care, you don't want the kids being without a mother and father. you may have to argue this case from an emotional standpoint. they're not going to get a long time
for more now, let's bring in defense attorney david wahl and esther pennich. physical attacks we've seen, damaging property, all that kind of stuff. that is nothing compared to what they are looking at right now. david, how serious is this? what about these federal charges? >> they're very serious. each one is facing up to 50 year in federal prison. they must have the goods on them, documentary evidence proving they phonied up tax returns and documents to get home loans. the federal...
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the defense denied that bradley manning aided the enemy. arguing there's no evidence at all that he knew al qaeda militants ever even looked at wikileaks, and today it appears the judge agreed. bradley manning shows very little emotion, might have smiled at the end. catherine herridge is live. tell us more how this plate out in court. >> the military courthouse is about three-quarters of a mile from where i'm standing right now, and just before 1:00 eastern, about 12 minutes before that hour, private first class gradley mapping entered the courtroom and at that time, at least initially, he appeared fairly relaxed but as the clock tick down he became understandably tense. when verdict was read, manning stood up, faced the judge directly with his arms like stove pipes at his side. showed virtually no emotion, and two dozen of his supporters were in the courtroom as public spectators, and they were silent. afterwards, those speck taters connected with the defense attorneys and there was some applause, but virtually that was it, shep offered. d
the defense denied that bradley manning aided the enemy. arguing there's no evidence at all that he knew al qaeda militants ever even looked at wikileaks, and today it appears the judge agreed. bradley manning shows very little emotion, might have smiled at the end. catherine herridge is live. tell us more how this plate out in court. >> the military courthouse is about three-quarters of a mile from where i'm standing right now, and just before 1:00 eastern, about 12 minutes before that...
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he wants to be this great champion of national defense. what does he want to do, shut down military bases in kentucky? in order to have enough money for national defense, you have to be willing to cut spending in other places. and governor christie and others have been part of this gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme all this money. we could have done the relief for sandy in a responsible way. i propose we do it $9 million a year and offset that by budget cuts. i think we can take care of our country in a natural disaster but only if we're not spending billions to -- where is the money going to come from if he's not willing to cut anywhere? i am willing to cut. for him to accuse me of pork la barrel spending, i'm probably the most physically conservat e conservative. he's making a big mistake picking a fight with other republicans because the republican party is shrinking in new england and in northeast part of our country. i'm the one trying to grow the party by talking about libertarian ideas of privacy and the internet and attacking me isn't hel
he wants to be this great champion of national defense. what does he want to do, shut down military bases in kentucky? in order to have enough money for national defense, you have to be willing to cut spending in other places. and governor christie and others have been part of this gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme all this money. we could have done the relief for sandy in a responsible way. i propose we do it $9 million a year and offset that by budget cuts. i think we can take care of our country in...
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criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor and retired u.s. army jag, culley stimson is a senior legal fellow with the heritage foundation. good morning to both of you. steve, i want to start with you. the most serious ruling could come down to life in prison. which way does this judge go in manning's case? >> well, it looks like she's going to have to go the way of evidence or the lack of evidence. in this particular case on this particular charge, it is a life sentence that is attached to it, and there's a reason for that, because it is an extremely serious charge. and they must show, the prosecution must show that he had actual knowledge that this information that he disseminated through wikileaks would end up in the hands of the enemy. bill: have they proven that? >> i do not believe they have. bill: really? >> based on the evidence that's been reported, there's not been sufficient actual knowledge shown. again, this is not a recklessness standard. and you also had to have the intent that the information would harm the united states. and,
criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor and retired u.s. army jag, culley stimson is a senior legal fellow with the heritage foundation. good morning to both of you. steve, i want to start with you. the most serious ruling could come down to life in prison. which way does this judge go in manning's case? >> well, it looks like she's going to have to go the way of evidence or the lack of evidence. in this particular case on this particular charge, it is a life sentence that is...
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hasan's case. >> bill: sure. >> giving him defense even though he says he is representing himself and giving him all of the experts that he needs. and by the way, the military justice system, this crime happened in 2009. what are we waiting for? >> bill: guantanamo bay people have been there and nobody is on trial because they don't want to try them. >> exactly. >> bill: hasan, they just delay it just like the civil justice system as well. you say they have put $4 million. >> $4 million in addition to 300,000. >> bill: do they have any money left over to execute him? i mean, are they going to have to borrow that money? because is he going. you know he is going. >> he is definitely going. here's the thing, besides executing him and he deserves to be executed, that's just my opinion. >> bill: um-huh. >> what about all of the victims because the military will not identify this as an act of terrorism, instead, it's work place violence. >> bill: 4 million wasted. you have to go through the justice system. >> i get that but the 300,000? >> bill: all right. there is the judge, everyone. buy
hasan's case. >> bill: sure. >> giving him defense even though he says he is representing himself and giving him all of the experts that he needs. and by the way, the military justice system, this crime happened in 2009. what are we waiting for? >> bill: guantanamo bay people have been there and nobody is on trial because they don't want to try them. >> exactly. >> bill: hasan, they just delay it just like the civil justice system as well. you say they have put $4...
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she says it was self-defense, claiming she was being raped, fought back. if convicted she could be septembered to death by lethal injection prosecutors say geneva case is the only other person that knows the truth. >> reporter: why is it that you don't want to testify. >> because i have the right -- our relationship is our relationship. i feel i should have equal to everybody else. it should be the same. i should be the same as you. i love her, and i think that we should have the same opportunity as anybody else out here. >> reporter: the case is involving spousal privilege, commonly used in court cases to protect spouses from testifying against each other. case talked exclusively, but would not discuss what she knows about the killing. she says she and cleary were separated at the time, but it was just a spat. >> so you still love bobbi jo? independents yes, i do, very much. >> even after all this. >> even after all this. i'll always love her. >> reporter: the two women entered into a civil union in vermont a decade ago, but the problem is this isn't verm
she says it was self-defense, claiming she was being raped, fought back. if convicted she could be septembered to death by lethal injection prosecutors say geneva case is the only other person that knows the truth. >> reporter: why is it that you don't want to testify. >> because i have the right -- our relationship is our relationship. i feel i should have equal to everybody else. it should be the same. i should be the same as you. i love her, and i think that we should have the...